ADA Kiosk Quest Diagnostics Update + Walmart Blind Access

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From KioskIndustry Jan2022

Thanks to William Goren and //www.understandingtheada.com/ — From updated Kiosk Accessibility: The Law is Paying Attention

Quest Diagnostics Update + Walmart Blind Access

In Brief

  • Court rejected Quest request to dismiss ACB suit. It is moving ahead
  • Quest has already conceded “effective communication” not provided
  • Class action enabled which means corrective measures would need to be done across the country.

December 31, 2021 Update

The American Council of the Blind’s lawsuit against Quest Diagnostics about the companies inaccessible kiosks continues, with new rulings that allow the case to continue. First, in September 2021, Quest asked the Court to rule that Quest’s kiosks did not violate the ADA. On October 15, 2021, the Court rejected Quest’s request, finding that Quest’s kiosks are a part of the service that Quest provides. Because of that, Quest must provide what is legally referred to as “auxiliary aids and services” to render the kiosks accessible to blind patients.

Auxiliary aids and services are methods that allow a company to effectively communicate with its blind or deaf customers. In this case, auxiliary aids and services would make the visually delivered content and features of the kiosks usable by people who cannot see. The parties can still fight over the precise methods, but this is a big win for the plaintiff to move the case forward. (The judge even found that Quest has conceded that its kiosks, as originally developed, did not provide “effective communication” with blind individuals.)

In a different court order in December, 2021, the court certified a class of blind people, meaning the case can go forward as a class action on the issue of fixing the kiosks. In the class action ruling, the court wrote that “This is a civil rights action against a party charged with unlawful, class-based discrimination based on the use of a specific auxiliary aid or service, and is a prime candidate for certification.” By certifying a nationwide class of blind Quest customers, the court has expressed its opinion that modifications to Quest’s kiosks must be made at all locations across the country.

October 18, 2021 Update

Updated to include a link to an article on this website about a U.S. court opinion in the case about Walmart self-check kiosks. On October 12, 2021 a federal judge ruled that Walmart was not required under the ADA to make its kiosks usable by blind people. Read the article about the Walmart kiosk case, U.S. Federal Judge Rules for Walmart, against Blind Shoppers, in Self-checkout Kiosk Case

October 10, 2021 Update

(1) Updated the Healthcare Kiosks section of this article to include United States Department of Justice activity supporting a lawsuit about healthcare kiosk accessibility. (2) Updated the Restaurant Kiosks section to include McDonald’s commitment to accessible kiosks.

Other Items of Note

Restaurant Kiosks: Blind People Eat Out (and Pay) Too

McDonald’s works with NFB to improve kiosk accessibility

In May, 2021, the Kiosk Manufacturers Association published an article titled McDonald’s Kiosks and National Federation of the Blind Collaborate. The article explained that:

Using new and advanced technology, enhancements to existing accessibility features include screen-reading software, tactile keypads and the ability for customers to connect their headphones or ear buds to the kiosk and independently place their orders by responding to audio prompts.

No lawsuit was needed in the effort with McDonald’s.


Structured Negotiation improves Applebee’s kiosks>

In January, 2018 the National Federation of the Blind announced a partnership with a major manufacturer of table-top tablets increasingly used in restaurants for ordering, payment and more. The partnership will “produce a text-to-speech capability for the PrestoPrime EMV System that will be incorporated into all current and future Presto tablets, including those used in Applebee’s Grill + Bar restaurants nationwide.” The settlement agreement outlining the details shares that the parties used Structured Negotiation to reach agreement. Download the settlement agreement from the case announcement.

The new functionality will enable “blind persons to interact with the Presto System.”


Talking ATMs: Accessible Financial Technology Still Needed Around the World

Talking ATMs have shown since 1999 that financial kiosks must — and can be — accessible. In the United States the Americans with Disabilities Act has long required that ATMs talk, and advocates made that law a reality with significant numbers of Structured Negotiations and some lawsuits in the late 1990’s and throughout the 2000s.

But financial technology is global, and accessibility must be global too. Last month came news of the first Talking ATMs in the United Arab Emirates. The machines spoke in Arabic and English, and the Braille was in two languages too.

But the devices were manufactured by Diebold – one of the early Talking ATM manufacturers in the United States. What took so long for Talking ATMs to get to the UAE?

That country ratified the UN Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities in 2008. Accessible technology is embedded in the Convention. Manufacturers should not be shipping financial technology (#FinTech) without access. The UNCRPD must be implemented to ensure technology remains available to disabled people.

[Curious about the history of Talking ATMs? Visit the Talking ATM topic page on this website for more than 60 posts about this bedrock of accessible financial industry technology.

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Affiliations – Kiosk Association Joins Digital Signage Federation

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As part of our continued involvement with interactive digital signage the Kiosk Association has joined the Digital Signage Federation as a dues-paying member.  The Industry Group already has dedicated multiple digital signage channels covering digital signage, menu boards, media players and new touchscreen technologies.

Here is background on the organization

Who we are

We are the only not-for-profit independent voice of the digital signage industry, reflecting the diverse constituencies that make up our industry. Our goal is to continue building a strong foundation for the advancement of the industry. To this end, we partner with our members and key organizations to provide education, networking, and advocacy to continue moving the growth of the industry forward. So whether you are launching a new ad-based network or you’ve been around since the inception of digital signage, our hope is that you will find the resources you need to thrive.

How it works

The DSF is governed by a Board of Directors, a volunteer member board that is elected by the DSF membership in an annual election. The board consists of an Executive Committee-Chairman, Vice-Chairman, Treasurer, Secretary, and Immediate Past Chairman, all of whom serve one-year terms in their roles. At-Large Directors are elected to two year terms on a rotating basis, so that there are four or five directors each year who rotate on/off the board. All of the association’s projects and initiatives are board-driven and supported. Outside of the Board of Directors are our Committees that execute the board’s strategic initiatives throughout the year. Committees consist of additional volunteer members who have raised their hand and give their time to work on these events and projects.

Our volunteers are our lifeblood – without them, we simply wouldn’t exist.

What we do

DSF has a host of projects and initiatives that are going on at all times. We host Regional Networking Events, attend various industry shows, offer educational opportunities, provide industry research, promote our members in a variety of ways, and offer business opportunities to our members. We are the exclusive association sponsor of the Digital Signage Expo, the largest digital signage trade show in the world, and our official certification program is with the Digital Signage Experts Group (DSEG). We are always seeking ways to improve and advance our members and the industry. If you have an idea, send it our way.

Why us?

Because the digital signage industry needs an independent voice. Since our inception in 2010, the DSF has tirelessly worked to promote the industry as a whole. We established Privacy Standards that have since been cited in national publications and before Congress. We established the DSF In-Forum to provide end users a business tool to freely and easily source RFPs for their projects. We established the Seal of Professional Excellence to provide a graphic representation of our members’ commitment to excellence in business practices. We provide monthly educational opportunities in a variety of formats to provide learning opportunities and conversations around topics and case studies important to the industry.

Promoting Access to Voting for People with Disabilities

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NIST Seeks Public Comment on Recommendations

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) requests public comments on the Draft of Promoting Access to Voting: Recommendations for Addressing Barriers to Private and Independent Voting for People with Disabilities. Under Executive Order 14019 on Promoting Access to Voting, NIST is directed to identify barriers to private and independent voting for people with disabilities, make recommendations to remove these barriers, and evaluate the steps needed to ensure that the online Federal Voter Registration Form is accessible to people with disabilities. The Draft is available in the Federal Register.

The Draft was developed by NIST using information collected through the Request for Information that was published in the Federal Register on June 16, 2021, reviews of reports, papers and other literature, and engagement with stakeholder organizations and election officials. NIST is seeking comment on the Draft from persons with disabilities, disability advocacy groups, assistive technology vendors and professionals, non-partisan voting promotion groups, voting technology vendors, election officials, and other stakeholders.

Public comments must be received by 5:00 pm ET on November 22, 2021. Comments may be submitted at www.regulations.gov under NIST-2021-0005-0001 or by email at [email protected]. Complete instructions for comment submission can be found in the Federal Register notice. For questions about this request for public comment, contact Kevin Mangold, NIST, by phone at 1-301-975-5628 or email [email protected]. Users of telecommunication devices for the deaf, or a text telephone, may call the Federal Relay Service at 1-800-877-8339.

You are welcome to submit suggestions and comments for the U.S. Access Board to consider during their next rulemaking session for kiosks and self-service. You also have until November 20th to make add comments for Voting and Accessibility — here is the Google form

KMA Kiosk Association Quarterly Call – October 2021

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We held our quarterly call via Teams October 28th.

In attendance:

  • Access Board
  • The NFB
  • The Lighthouse for the BLind
  • American Council of the Blind
  • Open Doors
  • Goldstein & Levy
  • William Goren Associates
  • KioWare
  • KIOSK Information Systems
  • Pyramid Computer
  • Vispero
  • Kiosk Group
  • Tech For All
  • Storm Interface
  • Dynatouch
  • Dolphin Computer Access
  • NCR
  • Frank Mayer

We will issue a more formal response to action items and directions but to address some.

  • The Access Board mentioned another round of rulemaking regarding kiosks is on the table. We’ve noted the timeframe and announcement in our Kiosk ADA FAQ
  • Several in the audience were unaware that the KMA Code of Practice has been publicly available for download since Feb2021.  It is in a redacted form without the legalese and in plain English.  This is also listed in our Kiosk ADA FAQ

The call went over 90 minutes and was very instructive.  The comments by the Access Board were very helpful as were inputs from the legal law establishment (Goldstein & Levy as well as Goren Associates).

Comments for Next  Rulemaking Session

You are welcome to submit suggestions and comments for the U.S. Access Board to consider during their next rulemaking session for kiosks and self-service. You also have until November 20th to make add comments for Voting and Accessibility — here is the Google form

For more information

contact [email protected]

EV Charging ADA Considerations – a Kiosk Perspective

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From the KMA.Global FAQ October 2021

Short Answer —  Yes

Long Answer — Technically all of the regulations mandated today apply to any form of unattended self-service. In the case of some there may not be a touchscreen per se but interaction with the terminal whether via mobile or transponder still shares those regulations. Accessing a large smart city interactive screen with a mobile phone proxy is interaction without any direct physical touching of the terminal for example. In the definition of a kiosk we point out how legal sanctions often become part of the defining process. For example, in normal like we may not consider a burrito a sandwich right? However, when it comes to nutrition and food safety the FDA considers a burrito the same, legally, a sandwich. Sounds silly for sure but it illustrates equivalents.

One of the biggest challenges for EV Charging is simply location. They tend to be on existing curbs where there are no ramps

The liability is two-part:

  • that which the DOJ has basis to file interest (typically using ADA2010)
  • and that which you still might be sued for (hot coffee wasn’t regulated until suit was brought e.g.)

We think the more relevant current laws will be regarding mounting and placement. The USPS Postal Buddy kiosks are perfectly accessible, however, they were sometimes installed in less-than-accessible locations/areas. The usual height dimensions were fine.

Here are the specific regs that come into play (as referenced in the KMA Code of Practice)

3.1.1.1. 305 – Maneuvering and More ADA2010
3.1.1.2. 306 – Depth and Clearance ADA 2010
3.1.1.3. 303 – Changes in level ADA2010 (generally not permitted)
3.1.1.4. Protruding Objects ADA2010 [refers to 307]
3.1.1.5. [Suggestion] Kiosks must be visually and tactilely identifiable to users as accessible (e.g., an international symbol of accessibility affixed to the front of the device
3.1.1.6. General Reach Ranges — ADA2010 – [reach ranges specified in 508 Guidelines and Operable Parts and included in 407.8 — refer to those]
3.1.1.7. Operable Parts — ADA2010 [refer to Section 508 for complete most current]
305.7.1 Maneuvering Clearance in Alcove ADA2010
403 Clear Width — ADA2010
404 Maneuvering Clearances — ADA2010
902.3 Work Surfaces, Countertop, Table Top, Voting

Under Section 508 review
3.1.2.1. 402 – Closed Functionality — Section 508 Final Rule
3.1.2.2. 407 – Operable Parts — Section 508 Final Rule
And for reference Audio is more often than most the largest litigated accessibility issue.

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McDonald’s Kiosk News – Delivering More Accessible With Storm

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McDonald’s Kiosk Accessibility News

In Brief

  • Public announcement by McDonald’s they are intent on addressing accessibility
  • AudioNav selected by McDonald’s
  • More specific details on an implementation schedule, company-owned versus franchisees, new kiosk versus existing kiosks expected prior to NRF 2022 which at the KMA Booth 1606 Storm will be showing the latest in accessibility technology.
  • Worth noting that in hospitality, Marriott uses the AudioNav now.  Airline check-in such as Southwest Airlines has been using for a long time.
  • Storm Interface is also leading an open conference call later this month which will be a discussion session on strategies for extending accessibility to all manner of self-service. October 28th at 11 am CT. Contact [email protected] for invite.  Limited seating available.

McDonalds Kiosk ADA

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Follow Up 10/18 — from Wall Street Journal

  • The technology will be added to all existing kiosks in company-owned restaurants in California, and 25% of existing kiosks in other U.S. states. [company-owned restaurants]
  • McDonald’s only operates around 5% of its roughly 14,000 U.S. restaurants, the company said. The rest are run by franchisees.
  • The company said it would add the new accessibility function to all new kiosks installed in any U.S. restaurant after July 1, including those sold to franchised restaurants.

“Initiatives to improve accessibility to products and information for those with disabilities or impairments should be recognized and applauded”, say Storm Interface.

Storm Interface, manufacturers of the AudioNav system interface, are working with McDonald’s to accelerate improvements in the accessibility of McDonald’s restaurant kiosks. McDonald’s was recently recognized by the National Federation of the Blind for its achievements in accessibility. Storm are pleased to have had an opportunity to work with McDonald’s delivering an effective audible and tactile customer interface.

“From the first meeting it was clear that the McDonald’s team had recognized the challenges faced by those who could not see, read or interact with a touchscreen” said Peter Jarvis SEVP at Storm Interface. “We were (and remain) impressed by their willingness to explore and implement new ideas and new technologies. Storm are delighted that the AudioNav device was chosen by McDonald’s to provide the integrated audio connection and tactile interface for navigation of restaurant menu options.”

“Inclusion is at the core of our values,” said Kelsey Hall, Senior Manager of Global Digital Accessibility at McDonald’s. “Implementing new options for our customers to be able to order independently is vitally important to ensuring the restaurant experience is accessible for everyone.”
Storm Interface’s AudioNav device is currently being deployed to McDonald’s corporate owned stores and select franchise locations across the US.

Background Information:

About Storm Interface
For more than 35 years Storm Interface have designed and manufactured secure, rugged and reliable keypads, keyboards and interface devices. Storm products are built to withstand rough use and abuse in unattended public-use and industrial applications. Storm Assistive Technology Products are recognized by the Royal National Institute of Blind People under their ‘RNIB Tried and Tested’ program.
https://www.storm-interface.com

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ADA Kiosk News – Disability Language Style Guide

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Excerpt:

You can also download the NCDJ Style Guide as a PDF.

As language, perceptions and social mores change rapidly, it is becoming increasingly difficult for journalists and other communicators to figure out how to refer to people with disabilities. Even the term “disability” is not universally accepted. This style guide, which covers dozens of words and terms commonly used when referring to disability, can help. The guide was developed by the National Center on Disability and Journalism at Arizona State University’s Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication and was last updated in the summer of 2021.

First, we would like to offer some basic guidelines:

  • Refer to a disability only when it’s relevant to the story and, when possible, confirm the diagnosis with a reputable source, such as a medical professional or other licensed professional.
  • When possible, ask sources how they would like to be described. If the source is not available or unable to communicate, ask a trusted family member, advocate, medical professional or relevant organization that represents people with disabilities.
  • Avoid made-up words like “diversability” and “handicapable” unless using them in direct quotes or to refer to a movement or organization.
  • Be sensitive when using words like “disorder,” “impairment,” “abnormality” and “special” to describe the nature of a disability. The word “condition” is often a good substitute that avoids judgement. But note that there is no universal agreement on the use of these terms — not even close. “Disorder” is ubiquitous when it comes to medical references; and the same is true for “special” when used in “special education,” so there may be times when it’s appropriate to use them. But proceed with extra caution.
  • Similarly, there is not really a good way to describe the nature of a condition. As you’ll see below, “high functioning” and “low functioning” are considered offensive. “Severe” implies judgement; “significant” might be better. Again, proceed with caution. This is increasingly tricky turf.

Of course, our sources don’t always speak the way we write. That’s OK. You may end up using a derogatory term in a direct quote, but be certain that it’s fundamental to the story. Otherwise, paraphrase and use a more acceptable term.

In this guide, we urge reporters and other communications professionals to refer to a disability only when it’s relevant to the story being told. But what is “relevant” is not always clear. Should a story about residents complaining about noisy airplanes flying over their houses note that one of the residents who is complaining uses a wheelchair? Should someone who is blind be identified as such in a story about people who have been stranded while hiking and had to be rescued?

In the first case, we suggest the answer is “no.” The fact that someone uses a wheelchair does not make the airplane noise any more or less irritating. In the second case, the answer is “maybe.” If the hiker’s blindness contributed to him or her getting stranded, making note of that fact is relevant. If the person’s sight had nothing to do with the situation, leave it out.

People living with disabilities often complain, and rightly so, that their disability is mentioned even when the story has nothing to do with their disability.

A note about person-first language. In the past, we have encouraged journalists and others to use person-first language (such as, “a person who has Down syndrome” rather than “a Down syndrome person”) as a default. Even with the caveat that this does not apply to all, we have heard from many people with disabilities who take issue with that advice. For us, this really emphasizes the fact that no two people are the same — either with regard to disabilities or language preferences. And so we are no longer offering advice regarding a default. Instead, we hope you will double down to find out how people would like to be described. We also will include some guidance in individual entries here — but again, we encourage you to confirm on a case-by-case basis.

Another note — this time about the language around COVID-19. The pandemic altered the way many people think about disability, as people who had never encountered such obstacles were suddenly unable to leave their houses. People with disabilities spoke out on social media about this, and “long haulers” now understand firsthand what some people with disabilities experience. The language around COVID-19 is evolving. The BBC and The Conversation both have well-considered takes on it. Archaeologist Elisa Perego coined the term “long COVID” to refer to people with lasting symptoms. This condition also has been called “long haul” and people with it, “long haulers.”

Writing about disability is complicated and requires sensitivity — a must for any form of journalism that involves people. If you are in doubt about how to refer to a person, ask the person. And if you can’t ask the person, don’t avoid writing about disability. Use this guide. Do your best.

–Amy Silverman, NCDJ advisory board member

Special thanks to Rebecca Monteleone, University of Toledo; Jon Henner, University of North Carolina at Greensboro; Sherri Collins, Arizona Commission for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing; Sara Luterman; the NCDJ advisory board; and all the style guide readers who offered suggestions for this guide.

Federal Acquisition Regulatory (FAR) Incorporates 508

Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) Updated to Incorporate Revised 508 Standards

September 13, 2021

US Access Board Logo Circle downloadOn August 11, 2021, the Federal Acquisition Regulatory (FAR) Council issued a final rule updating the federal government’s procurement regulations to officially incorporate the U.S. Access Board’s revised Section 508 Standards. The FAR Council is comprised of the Administrator for Federal Procurement Policy and representatives from the Department of Defense, the General Services Administration, and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The FAR Council supplemented provisions in the Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) supporting the requirements for Information and Communication Technology (ICT) procured by federal agencies to be accessible. This update to the FAR went into effect September 10, 2021.

This update to the FAR includes several key changes to ensure that federal agencies comply with Section 508 in their acquisitions of ICT. One change requires agencies to specifically identify which ICT accessibility standards are applicable to a procurement. Another change requires federal agencies to document in writing any exceptions or exemptions in their formal acquisiton plans. These include exceptions provided for national security systems, incidental contract items, and features of ICT used in maintenance or monitoring spaces, and exemptions based on undue burden, fundamental alternation, and nonavailability of conforming commercial items.

In addition, federal agencies also must identify the needs of current and future users with disabilities and proactively determine how ICT functionality will be available to these users. They also must specify the development, installation, configuration, and maintenance of ICT in support of users with disabilities.

For more details on the changes with the final rule, visit GSA’s Section 508 comparison table at section508.gov/manage/laws-and-policies/far-update-comparison. The text of the amended FAR provisions was published in the Federal Register as “Federal Acquisition Regulation: Section 508-Based Standards in Information and Communication Technology” at www.federalregister.gov/d/2021-16363. For more information, contact the GSA Regulatory Secretariat Division at 1-202-501-4755 or [email protected].

Training and assistance on the 508 Standards are available. GSA provides Section 508 accessibility training resources at https://section508.gov/training.

The Access Board provides technical assistance on the Section 508 Standards through its toll-free hotline at 1-800-872-2253 or by email at [email protected]. The Board also provides training on Section 508 Standards upon request and conducts a free webinar series to provide helpful information and best practices in meeting Section 508 Standards. To learn more or to register for a webinar in the Section 508 Best Practices Series, visit www.accessibilityonline.org/cioc-508. Past webinars are archived and available at www.accessibilityonline.org/cioc-508/archives.

Web Accessibility Tax Credit For Small Business

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From Benefits Pro August 2021

Plaintiff’s attorneys have increasingly sued companies alleging their websites fail to comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), California Unruh Civil Rights Act, and similar state laws that prohibit discrimination against disabled individuals. The justification of these lawsuits is that companies with websites that do not allow those with disabilities to use and enjoy the website are engaging in unlawful discrimination. While the law remains unsettled in this area (e.g., there is disagreement over the “standard for accessibility” and which companies may be obligated to have accessible websites), judges are increasingly enforcing anti-discrimination laws against companies that do not have accessible websites. The cost of non-compliance can be staggering, costing companies exponentially more than had the company just made their website accessible.

Uncle Sam has now entered the fray, extending a helping hand to small businesses that wish to invest in updating or maintaining their websites to be more accessible to those with disabilities. In particular, the IRS is offering a one-time tax credit of up to $5,000 for small businesses that incur expenses associated with making their website more accessible. Website expenses incurred must be between $250 to $10,250, and only 50% of the costs are eligible for the credit (with a maximum credit of $5,000). In order to claim the credit, businesses need to use IRS Form 8826 (Disabled Access Credit) and file the form with their tax return. Only businesses with less than $1 million in gross revenue or fewer than 30 full-time employees in the prior tax year are eligible for the credit. Your accountant or tax preparer can assist you further to determine if your business qualifies for the credit.

The bottom line is that this relatively little-known tax break provides a win-win-win. It helps technology businesses more easily sell website accessibility solutions, helps their small business customers obtain the same services at what is essentially a significant discount (via a tax credit) while mitigating the risk of future litigation, and helps aid disabled individuals in better accessing the Internet.

Jon L. Farnsworth is a partner at Spencer Fane in the firm’s Minneapolis office. He can be reached at [email protected].

Vaccine Passport HIPAA and More — Who Can Ask For Medical Status?

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With the pandemic and now the Delta virus we now have actual vaccine passport kiosks available for sale and deployment. The impact being both on the general public in the role of customer, and with employees coming back to the office to work.

The arguments against disclosing vaccination status have, at times, focused on HIPAA. We have educated people telling people that “due to HIPAA, I cannot disclose my status”.  It’s actually more of Herman Melville Bartleby tactic where the fact is they prefer not to disclose.

The usual applications where HIPAA comes into play for kiosks can be Epic Welcome Kiosks for patient check-in for example, or any type of patient check-in. Generally unit collecting or touching patient information in health care provider, hospitals, nursing home or service providers.  Telehealth kiosks is another example.

Good article discussing.

In brief:

  • #1 — It is not a HIPAA violation to ask someone their vaccine status
  • Who does HIPAA regulate?
    • Health insurance companies, Medicare, Medicaid or employers who run self-funded health plans
    • Business associates, such as health care providers, hospitals, nursing homes or anyone actually delivering a health care service
    • Subcontractors of business associates, such as health care clearinghouses or billing companies that may transfer patient data
  • You can ask. They do not have to answer.
  • Some states are passing “Can’t Ask” laws and conflating them with HIPAA (e.g. home state of Oklahoma)

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As we return to learn and work in person, you might be wondering how to talk to others about whether they’ve gotten a COVID-19 vaccine — or if it’s even legal to ask.

When Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., was asked last month if she had been vaccinated against COVID-19, she said the question itself was “in violation of my HIPAA rights.”

“You see, with HIPAA rights, we don’t have to reveal our medical records and that also involves our vaccine records,” said Greene, who has previously pushed false claims about vaccines.

“HIPAA applies in many fewer circumstances than people think.”
Actually, that’s not true. “It is not a HIPAA violation to ask someone their vaccine status,” said Kayte Spector-Bagdady, who helps direct the University of Michigan’s Center for Bioethics & Social Sciences in Medicine. “HIPAA applies in many fewer circumstances than people think.”

HIPAA, or the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, protects people’s private health information from being shared by certain health care entities without patient consent. But this 1996 law is far more narrowly defined than most people realize, Spector-Bagdady said.

Here’s what several health law experts say about the relevance of HIPAA and other rules when navigating interactions with others.

What does HIPAA cover?
Most people encounter HIPAA when signing consent forms at their doctor’s office. Typically, that is the extent of their exposure to this law or any other that governs health care and their privacy. So “there’s a lot of misapplication and misunderstanding in terms of what HIPAA does,” said Matthew Fisher, who serves as general counsel for Carium, a telehealth platform company, and has practiced health care law for more than a decade.

Here’s who HIPAA regulates:

Health insurance companies, Medicare, Medicaid or employers who run self-funded health plans
Business associates, such as health care providers, hospitals, nursing homes or anyone actually delivering a health care service
Subcontractors of business associates, such as health care clearinghouses or billing companies that may transfer patient data
That’s it. It doesn’t apply to conversations you might have on the street, said Margaret Riley, a professor of law at the University of Virginia and serves as legal advisor for the school’s Health Sciences Institutional Review Board.

“I can ask you on the street what your vaccine status is. I can ask you in my business what your vaccine status is. If I’m not your supervisor, that’s not a violation because I have no impact on you,” Riley said. “On the other hand, you have no obligation to answer me.”

The National Football League announced late last month it would penalize teams if they had COVID-19 outbreaks among unvaccinated players.

The decision came as more employers mandate that employees get vaccinated against COVID-19 to prevent outbreaks traced back to the workplace, preserving public health and productivity levels in one fell swoop. When New England Patriot quarterback Cam Newton was asked soon after in a news conference if he had been inoculated against the coronavirus, he sidestepped the question: “I think it’s too personal for each and every person to kind of discuss it, and I’ll just keep it at that,” he said.

“If I’m not your supervisor, that’s not a violation because I have no impact on you. On the other hand, you have no obligation to answer me.”
Newton is fully within his rights to not divulge his vaccine status to the news media. But there are many contexts where people might want to know if others with whom they have regular contact have gotten shots.

Claire Talltree, a retired epidemiologist and farmer in Snohomish, Washington, serves on the board of a nonprofit organization that meets regularly to discuss business. During much of the pandemic, those meetings took place virtually, but once vaccines became available and Washington lifted restrictions for social distancing, Talltree said the nonprofit’s board members suggested they all meet in person in restaurants and hold hourslong meetings over meals (which she said typically results in lax mask use). Because she was caring for vulnerable loved ones with compromised immune systems, Talltree, 64, asked if everyone had been vaccinated against COVID-19.

“I’ve been told it’s HIPAA, and they don’t have to tell me,” said Talltree, who added she is getting lots of pushback and has lost friends who died of COVID-19. “They want me to quit being fearful,” she said. “I’m not fearful. I just don’t want to catch this disease.”

Confusion beyond HIPAA
If HIPAA does not prevent you from asking most other people if they are vaccinated, new laws going into effect around the country may contribute to stifling conversation, if indirectly.

State lawmakers have submitted more than 150 bills tied to vaccine passports and mandates for employers and schools, according to the National Academy for State Health Policy. These orders come as the delta variant pushes the number of new infections to more than 100,000 each day — levels last seen in February before vaccines were widely available — and largely affecting unvaccinated swaths of the country.

In Oklahoma, Gov. Kevin Stitt signed into law on May 28 a mandate that prohibits colleges from requiring students to be vaccinated or wear masks, or from asking students if they are vaccinated.

That means that college instructor Dinah Cox, who is fully vaccinated but asthmatic, cannot even request that students in her English class wear a face covering. When classes resume in mid-August at Oklahoma State University in Stillwater, Cox said, she must teach in person in a windowless lecture hall. She is concerned that her preexisting health conditions might complicate an otherwise mild breakthrough infection. She has applied for medical accommodations to continue teaching virtual classes, but Cox said it is unclear if her request will be granted before school starts in mid-August.

“I prefer to teach in person. I just want to be protected when I do so and have my students protected,” she said. But she said she feels she must choose between her job and her health.

These state-based rules are creating confusion beyond what is often — and inaccurately — attributed to HIPAA, Riley said. “In that context, you’re going to have a lot of these conversations when people are seeking ways to protect themselves.”

This response is a “classic American public health response” with critical decisions being made at the “most local level possible,” said Jason Schwartz, an associate professor in the Yale School of Public Health.

“We’ve seen unhelpful restrictions in some states that have limited the ability of institutional leaders at schools, businesses and colleges to have the information they need about risk present in their community and ability to respond to it,” Schwartz said.

During a global pandemic with a highly infectious variant causing more infections, these incremental choices can ultimately hinder greater progress and harm more people, he added.